Like what? What's Cookie Machine? "The Ghost of Tom Joad," [which] suddenly became a really large song on our last couple of tours. So the songs reveal themselves at different moments and when you maybe have a chance to interpret them better. But sometimes you go in and you go, "Oh this one's gonna kill live! I can't wait 'til we get out and play this thing live!" And sometimes that happens; it doesn't happen all time.

Sometimes you get out there and you're playing, playing and it's just, you go, "Well." You see a dull look in the eyes of the audience? Well, it's just, you don't see sort of the explosion you thought was gonna occur. But we'll see, you know, so, we'll see what happens. The Saints' song that you covered — you were in Australia when you made this. So, the Saints.

I loved it because I have a friend that has a son named Bailey after Chris Bailey. No one ever knows who he's named after. I was like, "Yes, you're covering the Saints!" But I also wondered — that's a band that's very influenced by Bruce Springsteen. When you cover a band who's influenced by you, are you in dialogue with yourself? I don't think they were, you know. I mean, they started out as a pretty hardcore punk band with "." And then later, they made lovely record that "" was on.

That never reminded me of me, I just thought it was great and I loved that song, you know. So but you know, everyone steals from everyone else. That's the business. And stealing well is, there's a genius to it. And you know, when it's done well, I mean, I can hear groups that have been influenced by us but they're themselves, you know, who do beautiful work.